Problem on my first FreeNass Build

[raito88]

Hello!
I start build my first Freenass backup server but i have HDD issue.

Server running some time (1-2 hour) then ...
Get ERROR: freenas Device: Read SMART Self-Test Log Failed

I hope my pc harware is OK ... all parts is NEW

My specs:
Build: FreeNAS-11.2-RELEASE-U1
Platform Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-8400 CPU @ 2.80GHz
Memory 8018MB
MB: GIGABYTE Z370 GAMING K3
HDD: 5 x WD NAS RED PRO - 2TB
Boot SSD: M.2 WD GREEN 128GB
SATAIII cables: 6.0 Gbit/s

All 5 x HDD is conected From SATA1-5 ports,
SATA0 - Boot SSD 128GB (M.2)
HDD temperature HIGH - 41C

Please help fix this: SMART Self-Test Log Failed problem :(

BR
Raito

 

[HoneyBadger]

Obligatory comment: Your choice of "gaming" hardware is less than optimal, and you should expect a little flak from people here. "Gaming" hardware generally has extra features that aren't useful to FreeNAS (audio chips, less-than-good network cards) and also lacks important data-protection measures like ECC memory support.

On-topic: In this case, if the reported error is "HDD temperature HIGH" and it has identified your M.2 SSD as the culprit, perhaps some additional active cooling (a fan) or an M.2 heatsink is the best solution.

 

[raito88]

Obligatory comment: Your choice of "gaming" hardware is less than optimal, and you should expect a little flak from people here. "Gaming" hardware generally has extra features that aren't useful to FreeNAS (audio chips, less-than-good network cards) and also lacks important data-protection measures like ECC memory support.

On-topic: In this case, if the reported error is "HDD temperature HIGH" and it has identified your M.2 SSD as the culprit, perhaps some additional active cooling (a fan) or an M.2 heatsink is the best solution.

Thanks!
So looks like this my gaming MB is big "Shi*" for Freenass fail server ...
Can You please suggest some not expensive MB for home use fail backup sever.
Thanks!

 

[raito88]

So this parts will be OK for simple fail backup server.

MB: SUPERMICRO X11SSL-F
RAM: Dell - DDR4 - 8 GB - DIMM 288-pin - 2133 MHz / PC4-17000 - 1.2 V - registered - ECC
CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 - 3.5 GHz - 2 cores - 4 threads - 3 MB cache - LGA1151
Boot: Kingston SSDNow A400 - Solid state drive - 120 GB
Storage: 5 x WD Red Pro NAS Hard Drive WD2002FFSX - Hard drive - 2 TB - internal - 3.5"

I need something like this card: HBA - LSI 9240-8I ?
Or i can just connect WD Red Pro HDD directly in MB SATA ports?

Thanks!
Raito

 

[Bozon]

So this parts will be OK for simple fail backup server.

MB: SUPERMICRO X11SSL-F
RAM: Dell - DDR4 - 8 GB - DIMM 288-pin - 2133 MHz / PC4-17000 - 1.2 V - registered - ECC
CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 - 3.5 GHz - 2 cores - 4 threads - 3 MB cache - LGA1151
Boot: Kingston SSDNow A400 - Solid state drive - 120 GB
Storage: 5 x WD Red Pro NAS Hard Drive WD2002FFSX - Hard drive - 2 TB - internal - 3.5"

I need something like this card: HBA - LSI 9240-8I ?
Or i can just connect WD Red Pro HDD directly in MB SATA ports?

Thanks!
Raito

I see a total of 6 SATA ports so you will be good for the 5 data and 1 boot drive that you have.

 

[HoneyBadger]

Is there a specific need for the SSD boot device? I'm not arguing against it, just curious. If you used a USB stick you'd have all six SATA ports free, and could set up a nice RAIDZ2.

 

[raito88]

Is there a specific need for the SSD boot device? I'm not arguing against it, just curious. If you used a USB stick you'd have all six SATA ports free, and could set up a nice RAIDZ2.

Yes, i also check USB boot option .. looks much better. I just searching now what is max Temp C for this WD Red Pro Nass HDD - looks like 40 C is to HOT ...

 

[HoneyBadger]

Yes, i also check USB boot option .. looks much better. I just searching now what is max Temp C for this WD Red Pro Nass HDD - looks like 40 C is to HOT ...

40C is too hot for a hard drive to be sitting at for any period of time. If your case has an option for active cooling on the hard drives, such as a front-mounted fan, I would strongly suggest you add one, especially considering that they are Red Pro's (7200rpm)

 

[raito88]

So 40C can be reason hard drive Get ERROR- freenas Device: Read SMART Self-Test Log Failed ?

 

[Evertb1]

If you used a USB stick you'd have all six SATA ports free, and could set up a nice RAIDZ2.

Why would you advise OP for an USB stick? They are reported to die by the dozen and are a -by now- proofen weak link. I know that if you take care to save your config file regulary, reinstalling is not a real hardship. But still, a dying boot device is annoying. And while not as economic as with 6 drives, a RAIDZ2 config with 5 drives works also OK.

 

[HoneyBadger]

So 40C can be reason hard drive Get ERROR- freenas Device: Read SMART Self-Test Log Failed ?

The error here is actually telling you that FreeNAS is unable to read the SMART self-test log from the drive itself. If you connect via SSH and attempt to run smartctl -a against each of your SATA devices (eg: /dev/ada0, /dev/ada1, etc) do they all return something? Check to ensure that your BIOS doesn't have your SATA ports set to any manner of fake-RAID.

Why would you advise OP for an USB stick? They are reported to die by the dozen and are a -by now- proofen weak link. I know that if you take care to save your config file regulary, reinstalling is not a real hardship. But still, a dying boot device is annoying. And while not as economic as with 6 drives, a RAIDZ2 config with 5 drives works also OK.

Cheap USB drives, sure, but buy a decent quality drive from a vendor that actually makes their own NAND (eg: Micron/Sandisk) and you'll be fine. If you're really paranoid, buy two and mirror them. Using a SATA port for boot media when you have an HBA (or two) to connect your data drives is fine, but to give one up when you've only got six seems less than optimal, especially in a home-user media serving scenario where the economic factors of having six drives likely outweighs the risk of a minor interruption of "reinstall FreeNAS, restore config file"

 

[raito88]

Yes when i connect via SSH i can do to all hard disk smartctl -a /dev/ada1, etc ...2,3,4,5 and i get long SMART information about Hard disk
/dev/ada0 is M.2 - Boot SSD

But Yes, looks like Hard disks reach 39-40C NO more i can get SMART info via SSH

I will order some FANs to make airflow ...and test.

 

[Bozon]

Why would you advise OP for an USB stick? They are reported to die by the dozen and are a -by now- proofen weak link. I know that if you take care to save your config file regulary, reinstalling is not a real hardship. But still, a dying boot device is annoying. And while not as economic as with 6 drives, a RAIDZ2 config with 5 drives works also OK.

This can be mitigated with a mirrored boot device. So if money is very tight and he can only afford this board. It would be a better configuration to have 6 data drives and a mirrored usb boot device. Sure this is frowned on for good reason but if you mirror the usb boot device that mitigates the issue.

 

[Hoeser]

40C is too hot for a hard drive to be sitting at for any period of time. If your case has an option for active cooling on the hard drives, such as a front-mounted fan, I would strongly suggest you add one, especially considering that they are Red Pro's (7200rpm)

Fake news. 40c is absolutely not too hot for a WD Red Pro. They're certified up to 65c operating temps. I have dozens of arrays in service with drive temps (under load) of 45-50c and some of these drives are going on 70,000 hours of service with no issues.

I only point this out so OP doesn't go down a rabbit hole chasing a problem that isn't actually a problem.

 

[pro lamer]

The OP already realized the problem appears when drive temperature reaches 41C. But: it may mean some other component inside is even warmer... I can imagine some chip at a temp higher than 40C while the drives reach 40C...

So adding cooling may help...

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Edit: does the mobo or FreeNAS have other temperature sensors? Do they log their indications history?

 

[raito88]

Thanks to all for help!
Yes, i anderstud now that can`t use home-gaiming hardware for backup server build :)

So i order parts and my new build will be like this:

MB: SUPERMICRO X11SSL-F
CPU: Intel Pentium G4560 - 3.5 GHz
RAM: 2 x Kingston - DDR4 - 8 GB - DIMM 288-pin - 2400 MHz unbuffered - ECC
Storage HDD: 6 x WD NAS RED PRO - 2TB - 7200rpm
Boot USB: 2 x ADATA Superior Series S102 Pro - USB flash drive - 16 GB - USB 3.0 - titanium blue

I hope with this parts will be ok for basic Freenass backup server.

 

[HoneyBadger]

Fake news. 40c is absolutely not too hot for a WD Red Pro. They're certified up to 65c operating temps. I have dozens of arrays in service with drive temps (under load) of 45-50c and some of these drives are going on 70,000 hours of service with no issues.

I only point this out so OP doesn't go down a rabbit hole chasing a problem that isn't actually a problem.

I'm not going to lie, I made the same face as Doc Brown in your avatar when I read the operating specs and what's considered "normal" for a drive these days. Apparently 35-45C is the comfort zone for a lot of newer drives according to the Google/MS/Backblaze studies.

 

[Bozon]

I'm not going to lie, I made the same face as Doc Brown in your avatar when I read the operating specs and what's considered "normal" for a drive these days. Apparently 35-45C is the comfort zone for a lot of newer drives according to the Google/MS/Backblaze studies.

Apparently, new drive technology is coming that will heat up the area before writing the block HAMR.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/11/02/seagate_hamr_roadmap/

 

[microserf]

Boot USB: 2 x ADATA Superior Series S102 Pro - USB flash drive - 16 GB - USB 3.0 - titanium blue

If you have the time (and run Windows), could you run USB Flash Information Extractor on one of those USB flash drives before you install FreeNAS and post the info here?

http://www.antspec.com/usbflashinfo/

Doing so would help me and, possibly, others.

 

[pro lamer]

Boot USB: 2 x ADATA Superior Series S102 Pro - USB flash drive - 16 GB - USB 3.0

I wonder if USB 2.0 boot sticks recommendation is valid ATM... I've seen it recently but it might have been an old thread and some other threads report timeouts for slow USB sticks (possibly USB 2.0) but again cannot remember what FreeNAS version - maybe 11.2 (which has some bugs IIRC)

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