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Would FreeNAS be compatible with the new PowerEdge T20?
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Dell PowerEdge T20
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Mine's been up and running since yesterday. Not exactly a robust test scenario, but no show stoppers for me.
Power usage running 9.2.1.2(from a kill-a-watt):
Base system as delivered: 22w
Base + 8GB module (12GB total) and 2x 4TB Seagate: 35w
Running 1 stream from Plex plugin (no transcoding): 44W
It's nearly silent. My normal desktop is by far louder.
Only odd thing I've noticed so far was some CPU usage due to an IRQ (~23%). I then went into BIOS and disabled serial, USB3 (which appears to disable the ports completely), PCI, and audio. Hasn't popped up since.
My only other thoughts are that CIFS permissions are a complete mess. But I have it working for now after some trial, error, google, more error, more google and then starting over with a fresh install.
Power usage running 9.2.1.2(from a kill-a-watt):
Base system as delivered: 22w
Base + 8GB module (12GB total) and 2x 4TB Seagate: 35w
Running 1 stream from Plex plugin (no transcoding): 44W
It's nearly silent. My normal desktop is by far louder.
Only odd thing I've noticed so far was some CPU usage due to an IRQ (~23%). I then went into BIOS and disabled serial, USB3 (which appears to disable the ports completely), PCI, and audio. Hasn't popped up since.
My only other thoughts are that CIFS permissions are a complete mess. But I have it working for now after some trial, error, google, more error, more google and then starting over with a fresh install.
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Any updates or new experiences?
T20 might still be an attractive deal here with it's low base price.
Not to mention that Supermicro boards and Xeons never seem to get in stock here.
T20 might still be an attractive deal here with it's low base price.
Not to mention that Supermicro boards and Xeons never seem to get in stock here.
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I just ordered one. A demo unit but the price was 75% of new so it should be worth some scratches.
This one comes with a 500GB drive that I can use for other stuff.
This one comes with a 500GB drive that I can use for other stuff.
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Ok, I'm sort of disappointed that it didn't come with any scratches =)
I can confirm that is has a high pitched tone coming from the PSU when off, not that it matters for a device that would run 24/7 but in case someone would not.
When on it's pretty silent, a bit better than expected. Still it may bother some that lives/sleep in the same room.
Intrusion detection works great as it registered a few times then it was opened.
*edit*
Running Memtest now.
It autoloaded the legacy version by default as it MBR booted.
Choosing UEFI boot through F12 and I got 5.0
It identified the Hynix modules as ECC so it seems to work fine.
I can confirm that is has a high pitched tone coming from the PSU when off, not that it matters for a device that would run 24/7 but in case someone would not.
When on it's pretty silent, a bit better than expected. Still it may bother some that lives/sleep in the same room.
Intrusion detection works great as it registered a few times then it was opened.
*edit*
Running Memtest now.
It autoloaded the legacy version by default as it MBR booted.
Choosing UEFI boot through F12 and I got 5.0
It identified the Hynix modules as ECC so it seems to work fine.
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T20 is now loaded with four 4TB RED. Almost doubled the weight, at least it felt so.
It draws about 90W on spinup.
Between 0 and 1W in standby (with tone)
More data when I load FreeNAS after testing.
It draws about 90W on spinup.
Between 0 and 1W in standby (with tone)
More data when I load FreeNAS after testing.
I just ordered the machine, I figured out was the most economical and flexible solution for a small storage server. The ideal would be using with freenas and zfs and maybe upgrading to full fledged freebsd later. For all of you that use it on freenas (I see at least one sucessful setup):
* Are you running it from a usb stick or a hd?
* USB 3 is working at full speed, as USB2, or is it disabled?
* Are you running it from a usb stick or a hd?
* USB 3 is working at full speed, as USB2, or is it disabled?
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Where are you guys ordering these from? Just ebay or where?
Dell sells them directly, but you may get a better deal from other sellers. I saw that an Amazon Europe seller sold it for 210€+shipping, it was in my city, so I contacted them directly saving 20€ AND 15€ shipping. In the US Newegg has them:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...yMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo
The problem with the Dell PowerEdge T20 is, that only the basic configuration is cheap. For a complete nas you have to buy additional parts from DELL.
For example the "hdd cages", which costs 30 Euro per pice. An addition disk 3TB costs EUR 142,99 (without MwSt.).
For example the "hdd cages", which costs 30 Euro per pice. An addition disk 3TB costs EUR 142,99 (without MwSt.).
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ok, thanks.
Talking from personal experience? Other Source?
As far as I'm informed, the HD cage, the HD bay and all four carriers/caddies are included:
ftp://ftp.dell.com/Manuals/all-prod...eredge/poweredge-t20_Owner's Manual_en-us.pdf
http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/393770-dell-poweredge-t20-server .
(and all the pics and videos on the net)
You can mount any HD you want and actually € 142,99 for a 3TB directly from DELL is quite low compared to other big name server manufacturers. And what you mean for "MwSt"? http://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/MwSt
As to price what are you comparing to?
Anyway I'll let you know when I receive it.
May we return on the topic of installing and running FreeNAS on the T20?For all of you that use it on freenas (I see at least one sucessful setup):
* Are you running it from a usb stick or a hd?
* USB 3 is working at full speed, as USB2, or is it disabled?
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My USB stick did not boot from USB3 ports when I turn it off and I have read that they are disabled instead of USB2. They are marked so no biggie.
I just wrote the .img file to a 8GB Sandisk Cruzer Edge and booted FreeNAS.
Not that much to do in BIOS IIRC but change from RAID to AHCI under SATA. I disabled USB3 as I don't need it and it is known to cause problems. Maybe future versions will work fine.
BTW setting SATA to ATA made the disks show up in XP or DOS if you want to test them before use. Although I didn't find any program on Hirens that would take 4TB except WD but that uses SMART so that's cheating.
Here are the temperatures according to SMART from four 4TB RED 39*C 41*C 37*C 37*C
They drop when idle but don't really climb higher under heavy use. A little disappointed that the temperature is so much higher than ambient(22*C) but still well within the comfort zone.
It comes with four SATA cables and four SATA power connectors. The four HDD cages use fairly stiff rubber bushing so it should not cause that much of a problem.
For expansion (when I need it) I plan to use M1015 and use external chassis or build one. Feeding the SATA cables directly out the back.
For me this was the cheapest way to get ECC memory and a usable machine. Old gen Micro server while cheaper is not really an alternative.
Besides I can upgrade to a V3 CPU if I want or need to.
Power seems to hover around 50W or so long term. I will know more when I can log it alone though UPS.
I just wrote the .img file to a 8GB Sandisk Cruzer Edge and booted FreeNAS.
Not that much to do in BIOS IIRC but change from RAID to AHCI under SATA. I disabled USB3 as I don't need it and it is known to cause problems. Maybe future versions will work fine.
BTW setting SATA to ATA made the disks show up in XP or DOS if you want to test them before use. Although I didn't find any program on Hirens that would take 4TB except WD but that uses SMART so that's cheating.
Here are the temperatures according to SMART from four 4TB RED 39*C 41*C 37*C 37*C
They drop when idle but don't really climb higher under heavy use. A little disappointed that the temperature is so much higher than ambient(22*C) but still well within the comfort zone.
It comes with four SATA cables and four SATA power connectors. The four HDD cages use fairly stiff rubber bushing so it should not cause that much of a problem.
For expansion (when I need it) I plan to use M1015 and use external chassis or build one. Feeding the SATA cables directly out the back.
For me this was the cheapest way to get ECC memory and a usable machine. Old gen Micro server while cheaper is not really an alternative.
Besides I can upgrade to a V3 CPU if I want or need to.
Power seems to hover around 50W or so long term. I will know more when I can log it alone though UPS.
Thanks!
It's good to know there weren't major hurdles. I wasn't planning to boot from usb 3, but, using usb for backup/sync (I currently have 4/5 external drives I want to conolidate). The temps are a little high but power consumption seems good (especially for 4 drives?). How is the noise level?
For me too was the best way to have ecc for the price of server motherboard. My alternative was autobuild or the fujitsu/siemens TX140S2 for the E3 and the hot swap bays. For expansion I plan to use a dell 2xSAS HBA and an external case.
Did you configure a 4xraidz2 or 2 2xmirrors?
Thanx again.
Usually scrubs see a temp increase of 2-5C. /shrug
Also, considering the fact that the critical temperature in FreeNAS should be set to 39C, you'd be getting nasty-gram emails from your server as it is right now. Not a particularly good position to be in.
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Noise level is not living/bedroom level, but for a server it's surprisingly quiet. I have not run it with four disks in a quiet environment but I don't think they would add much noise.
I use the four drives in Z2 as it is the optimum configuration (at least according to gui). It is also the most resilient and least likely to break. At least if you would believe statistics.
I was very tempted to use Z1 to get more space, but as I get six 1TB drives over from my v7 NAS I should be able to migrate a bunch of stuff to offline storage. Plus backups.
And the idea was safety and protection and compromises rimes badly with that.
I don't get any notifications,
A SMART short test was run this morning.
I put 43*C as informal and 45*C as critical for now as both was set to 0.
I also put 5*C delta as threshold between measurements.
It would be super nice if temperatures would be shown in GUI on the disks page like in v7.
I have a feeling that it increases airflow as well as CPU fan when under load or sees increased case temperature so that could account for smaller differences. No way of telling though as I can't see fan speed in GUI.
I use the four drives in Z2 as it is the optimum configuration (at least according to gui). It is also the most resilient and least likely to break. At least if you would believe statistics.
I was very tempted to use Z1 to get more space, but as I get six 1TB drives over from my v7 NAS I should be able to migrate a bunch of stuff to offline storage. Plus backups.
And the idea was safety and protection and compromises rimes badly with that.
I don't get any notifications,
A SMART short test was run this morning.
I put 43*C as informal and 45*C as critical for now as both was set to 0.
I also put 5*C delta as threshold between measurements.
It would be super nice if temperatures would be shown in GUI on the disks page like in v7.
I have a feeling that it increases airflow as well as CPU fan when under load or sees increased case temperature so that could account for smaller differences. No way of telling though as I can't see fan speed in GUI.
I got my Dell T20 last week, 4 Gb expansion and 2x3Tb WD Red. Hardware setup was simple, and yes it comes with all sleeves and cages, and usb stick freenas booted immediately. I just configured a zpool of a mirror, I preferred this solution over a 4 disk raidz2 for simplicity, flexibility, and save money for UPS and backup. I set up SMB shares (AFP not yet) and the Plex media server (had some problems on that one). I'm VERY satisfied by ZFS and net performance (I saturate the 1 Gbits eth on read). Less by USB and other File System support.
First question: NTFS support is still so bad on Freenas? It should use fuse/ntfs-3g that on other platforms (linux, mac-osx) work fine. Support on freebsd 10 would be any better?
I'm still in evaluation phase and mostly I'm putting in stuff I have on several computers and hard-disks in order to consolidate and get organized. My main problem is get things organized, if some one may give me some help even if not FreeNAS related:
* I'd like to keep the main documents in sync between FreeNAS, the two notebooks and maybe a pen I bring at work. Any ideas? I knew Bright sparks but looks a little obsolete. I'm told AllwaysSync is good, any ideas?
* For backup, without having another freenas box: 1) zfs send a receive on a zpool on an external disk is feasible? 2) Are there tools for logical backups on external HD (admitting NTFS is workable)? 3) Other ideas?
There are also some things to clear out:
* I get these errors/warnings on /var/log/messagges (attached all /var/log/messages) on mDNSResponder (what it is?) and smbd :
May 6 19:17:47 darkdaemon smbd[2261]: dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: connect()-> No of tries: 1
May 6 19:17:48 darkdaemon smbd[2261]: dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: connect()-> No of tries: 2
May 6 19:17:49 darkdaemon smbd[2261]: dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: connect()-> No of tries: 3
May 6 19:17:50 darkdaemon smbd[2261]: dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: connect() failed Socket:31 Err:-1 Errno:2 No such file or directory
May 6 19:17:50 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNSResponder (Engineering Build) (Apr 23 2014 17:17:29) starting
May 6 19:17:50 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: 8: Listening for incoming Unix Domain Socket client requests
May 6 19:17:50 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNS_AddDNSServer: Lock not held! mDNS_busy (0) mDNS_reentrancy (0)
May 6 19:17:50 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNS_AddDNSServer: Lock not held! mDNS_busy (0) mDNS_reentrancy (0)
May 6 19:17:52 darkdaemon kernel: done.
May 6 19:17:52 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNS_Register_internal: ERROR!! Tried to register AuthRecord 0000000800C2FD60 darkdaemon.local. (Addr) that's already in the list
May 6 19:17:52 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNS_Register_internal: ERROR!! Tried to register AuthRecord 0000000800C30180 6.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (PTR) that's already in the list
May 6 17:17:53 darkdaemon dhclient[980]: connection closed
May 6 17:17:53 darkdaemon dhclient[980]: exiting.
May 6 19:17:54 darkdaemon ntpd[2011]: time reset -1.384831 s
May 6 19:17:54 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNS_Execute: mDNSPlatformRawTime went backwards by 498 ticks; setting correction factor to 3079441744
May 6 19:20:05 darkdaemon smbd[4778]: [2014/05/06 19:20:05.607298, 0] ../source3/lib/util_sock.c:941(matchname)
May 6 19:20:05 darkdaemon smbd[4778]: matchname: host name/name mismatch: 192.168.1.101 != (NULL)
May 6 19:20:05 darkdaemon smbd[4778]: [2014/05/06 19:20:05.607411, 0] ../source3/lib/util_sock.c:1199(get_remote_hostname)
May 6 19:20:05 darkdaemon smbd[4778]: matchname failed on 192.168.1.101
* I too got the IRQ cpu usage problem (another message on the board). It disappears if it boots without the monitor connected (just disconnecting while on won't make it go away) and actually it seems that if you don't boot with the monitor connected, connecting after won't work. EDIT: booted with monitor connected and the problem wasn't present .... numble numble
* I can ssh to the box, but su-ing or sudo-ing to root won't work (even if the user has permit sudo)
* USB3 on the bios does not create problems, however if I set a the xhci_load tunable to yes, it seems it activate xhci but fails to correctly identify the ports and I cant get to mount an external harddisk (on USB2 it does), also something wrong in the dmesg (attached all dmesg):
xhci0: <Intel Lynx Point USB 3.0 controller> mem 0xf7c20000-0xf7c2ffff irq 16 at device 20.0 on pci0
usbus0: waiting for BIOS to give up control
xhci0: 32 byte context size.
usbus0 on xhci0
...
usbus0: 5.0Gbps Super Speed USB v3.0
...
uhub0: <0x8086 XHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 3.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus0
ugen1.1: <Intel> at usbus1
...
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhub0: 21 ports with 21 removable, self powered <---?!?!?
Root mount waiting for: usbus2 usbus1 usbus0
ugen1.2: <vendor 0x8087> at usbus1
uhub3: <vendor 0x8087 product 0x8008, class 9/0, rev 2.00/0.04, addr 2> on usbus1
ugen2.2: <vendor 0x8087> at usbus2
uhub4: <vendor 0x8087 product 0x8000, class 9/0, rev 2.00/0.04, addr 2> on usbus2
uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered
uhub4: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered
On disk mount:
usb_alloc_device: device init 3 failed (USB_ERR_IOERROR, ignored)
ugen0.3: <Unknown> at usbus0 (disconnected)
uhub_reattach_port: could not allocate new device
usb_alloc_device: device init 3 failed (USB_ERR_IOERROR, ignored)
ugen0.3: <Unknown> at usbus0 (disconnected)
uhub_reattach_port: could not allocate new device
First question: NTFS support is still so bad on Freenas? It should use fuse/ntfs-3g that on other platforms (linux, mac-osx) work fine. Support on freebsd 10 would be any better?
I'm still in evaluation phase and mostly I'm putting in stuff I have on several computers and hard-disks in order to consolidate and get organized. My main problem is get things organized, if some one may give me some help even if not FreeNAS related:
* I'd like to keep the main documents in sync between FreeNAS, the two notebooks and maybe a pen I bring at work. Any ideas? I knew Bright sparks but looks a little obsolete. I'm told AllwaysSync is good, any ideas?
* For backup, without having another freenas box: 1) zfs send a receive on a zpool on an external disk is feasible? 2) Are there tools for logical backups on external HD (admitting NTFS is workable)? 3) Other ideas?
There are also some things to clear out:
* I get these errors/warnings on /var/log/messagges (attached all /var/log/messages) on mDNSResponder (what it is?) and smbd :
May 6 19:17:47 darkdaemon smbd[2261]: dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: connect()-> No of tries: 1
May 6 19:17:48 darkdaemon smbd[2261]: dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: connect()-> No of tries: 2
May 6 19:17:49 darkdaemon smbd[2261]: dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: connect()-> No of tries: 3
May 6 19:17:50 darkdaemon smbd[2261]: dnssd_clientstub ConnectToServer: connect() failed Socket:31 Err:-1 Errno:2 No such file or directory
May 6 19:17:50 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNSResponder (Engineering Build) (Apr 23 2014 17:17:29) starting
May 6 19:17:50 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: 8: Listening for incoming Unix Domain Socket client requests
May 6 19:17:50 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNS_AddDNSServer: Lock not held! mDNS_busy (0) mDNS_reentrancy (0)
May 6 19:17:50 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNS_AddDNSServer: Lock not held! mDNS_busy (0) mDNS_reentrancy (0)
May 6 19:17:52 darkdaemon kernel: done.
May 6 19:17:52 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNS_Register_internal: ERROR!! Tried to register AuthRecord 0000000800C2FD60 darkdaemon.local. (Addr) that's already in the list
May 6 19:17:52 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNS_Register_internal: ERROR!! Tried to register AuthRecord 0000000800C30180 6.1.168.192.in-addr.arpa. (PTR) that's already in the list
May 6 17:17:53 darkdaemon dhclient[980]: connection closed
May 6 17:17:53 darkdaemon dhclient[980]: exiting.
May 6 19:17:54 darkdaemon ntpd[2011]: time reset -1.384831 s
May 6 19:17:54 darkdaemon mDNSResponder: mDNS_Execute: mDNSPlatformRawTime went backwards by 498 ticks; setting correction factor to 3079441744
May 6 19:20:05 darkdaemon smbd[4778]: [2014/05/06 19:20:05.607298, 0] ../source3/lib/util_sock.c:941(matchname)
May 6 19:20:05 darkdaemon smbd[4778]: matchname: host name/name mismatch: 192.168.1.101 != (NULL)
May 6 19:20:05 darkdaemon smbd[4778]: [2014/05/06 19:20:05.607411, 0] ../source3/lib/util_sock.c:1199(get_remote_hostname)
May 6 19:20:05 darkdaemon smbd[4778]: matchname failed on 192.168.1.101
* I too got the IRQ cpu usage problem (another message on the board). It disappears if it boots without the monitor connected (just disconnecting while on won't make it go away) and actually it seems that if you don't boot with the monitor connected, connecting after won't work. EDIT: booted with monitor connected and the problem wasn't present .... numble numble
* I can ssh to the box, but su-ing or sudo-ing to root won't work (even if the user has permit sudo)
* USB3 on the bios does not create problems, however if I set a the xhci_load tunable to yes, it seems it activate xhci but fails to correctly identify the ports and I cant get to mount an external harddisk (on USB2 it does), also something wrong in the dmesg (attached all dmesg):
xhci0: <Intel Lynx Point USB 3.0 controller> mem 0xf7c20000-0xf7c2ffff irq 16 at device 20.0 on pci0
usbus0: waiting for BIOS to give up control
xhci0: 32 byte context size.
usbus0 on xhci0
...
usbus0: 5.0Gbps Super Speed USB v3.0
...
uhub0: <0x8086 XHCI root HUB, class 9/0, rev 3.00/1.00, addr 1> on usbus0
ugen1.1: <Intel> at usbus1
...
uhub1: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhub2: 2 ports with 2 removable, self powered
uhub0: 21 ports with 21 removable, self powered <---?!?!?
Root mount waiting for: usbus2 usbus1 usbus0
ugen1.2: <vendor 0x8087> at usbus1
uhub3: <vendor 0x8087 product 0x8008, class 9/0, rev 2.00/0.04, addr 2> on usbus1
ugen2.2: <vendor 0x8087> at usbus2
uhub4: <vendor 0x8087 product 0x8000, class 9/0, rev 2.00/0.04, addr 2> on usbus2
uhub3: 6 ports with 6 removable, self powered
uhub4: 8 ports with 8 removable, self powered
On disk mount:
usb_alloc_device: device init 3 failed (USB_ERR_IOERROR, ignored)
ugen0.3: <Unknown> at usbus0 (disconnected)
uhub_reattach_port: could not allocate new device
usb_alloc_device: device init 3 failed (USB_ERR_IOERROR, ignored)
ugen0.3: <Unknown> at usbus0 (disconnected)
uhub_reattach_port: could not allocate new device
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